The Quiet One
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I'm scared sometimes that the WTBTS might be right about everything.
by Chemical Emotions ini wake up thinking: what if my boyfriend and i die a terrifying death during armageddon?
with no hope of any life afterwards?.
do any of you ever feel that way?.
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JWs always deny the information control
by AuntBee inan active witness on fb just told me that they are taught to "always question what we are taught" and use not only the wt publications, but any research materials, and come to a conclusion about what they find!
this is not what i've heard from you guys!
does she go to some unusual-type kingdom hall, or is she mesing with my mind?.
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Here's a couple of quotes regarding what Jw's are allowed to read and whether they can question what they are taught. "Have No Dealings With Apostates, ... For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it, and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: `It won't affect me; I'm too strong in the truth. And besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test.'In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt." (Watchtower, March 15, 1986 p12) "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization." (Watchtower, Jan.15,1983 p22)
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JWs always deny the information control
by AuntBee inan active witness on fb just told me that they are taught to "always question what we are taught" and use not only the wt publications, but any research materials, and come to a conclusion about what they find!
this is not what i've heard from you guys!
does she go to some unusual-type kingdom hall, or is she mesing with my mind?.
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(clearly not so) Mad Sweeney: Thank you, your words are more relevant to me than you'll ever know... Blondie, pm for you.
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Trevor: If that's so, I apologise for saying that. I was only referring to what she stated in this thread that she didn't 'hear' the voice in an AUDITORY way, based on the physical sense of hearing, which seemed to be what justnfrombethel was referring to. I've decided that, unless asked, I'm just going to shut up and see where the thread takes itself, I keep being too defensive, probably because of my own issues at the moment.. Anyway, thanks for your posts :)
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Cofty: To be fair, Aguest also referred to this- [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apology_(Plato)[/url]
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Justnfrombethel: Are you here to add something worthwhile to this discussion or just to insult people with broader viewpoints than your own? As you admitted, you have a short attention span, otherwise you might have noticed that Aguest never claimed to 'hear voices', she stated that she doesn't..
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Double post.. That's it, I'm going before I make a worse fool out of myself..
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I'm sorry if I overreacted, I'm just terrified of hurting anyone.. If I ever do, everybody feel free to tear my posts apart and tell me if I've said anything offensive :)
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Wow, this discussion has taken quite a turn while I was away, and I fear for the worst. I began this thread, not to attack or attempt to destroy anybodys beliefs in any way, I merely wanted to hear arguments and/or evidence from different viewpoints, to assess things for myself when I'm ready and also to hopefully ask questions and prompt others to think. From the tone of the last couple of posts, I am concerned that we might just be overstepping the boundary of a respectful exchanging of views into something approaching a war zone. Aguest+Jonh: Perhaps you can both agree to disagree and move on? Maybe I'm just oversensitive, but I don't want to see people getting attacked and feelings being potentially hurt on my thread. Whilst there is a veneer of being respectful to each other, IMO, it appears as though Aguest is attacking people such as JonH by calling them hypocrites because their choice of words/perceived judgemental views being apparently similar to the Society that they condemn, and at the same time JonH compared Aguest with the Society for promoting what is, from his viewpoint, blind faith with no evidence (refusing to even politely acknowledge that spiritual evidence could exist although not all may be able to perceive it), and went so far as to essentially attack her beliefs, which no matter how he may have began his post, are no doubt a part of who she is.. Please, lets step back and look at what is happening here. Feel free to disagree, but I see things that have not been handled in the right way, here, on all sides. Perhaps my throwing skeptical philosophy into an essentially religious discussion partly triggered this problem, so I'll take responsibility for that, but.. What is the purpose of this forum? Why did we leave the organisation (at least mentally), with it's black+white mentality and intolerance for others beliefs/lack of beliefs (the GB hates apostates, theist or atheist)? How are we helping each other to learn by throwing out accusations of hearing voices or comparing others to a controlling and close-minded group of men in Brooklyn? If we could just think about some of these things, maybe we could at least come back and talk to each other more respectfully, maybe agree to disagree? I certainly hope so, because this has been an interesting topic to me, and I'd hate to see it ruined by intolerance or lack of respect, let's remember why we're here. Thanks :) Aguest: I just went back and noticed something.. In context, JonH's reference to your flowery language was not, in my view, meant as an insult to you personally or him saying that you should change. He was pointing out that it is necessary, in order to examine a statement rationally, that you filter out any unnecessary words (from your viewpoint) and/or translate them into something you can relate to. Otherwise you can be lost as to what the person really meant. Jesus set a good example in speaking with depth but also in a way unbelievers could understand him. Just a thought :) JonH: On the other hand, THIS is a sweeping generalisation, and you're clearly intelligient enough to know better.. "Because the really religious devout have a way of talking a lot without ever saying anything with meaning." ..I'm sure you're aware that not all devout people do this, and also, just because you might not be able to see where someone is coming from, doesn't mean that their statement doesn't mean anything, it just means nothing to some people but something to at least that person, if not others.